Tue 1 Dec, 2009
Any ideas that I might have had that my earlier blog post synopsis on “Can America be Saved” would just have passed in the night as yet another random article, have been thoroughly overturned.
It seems that I have sparked off some huge debate in America, and amongst the American “right wing.” The usual nuts crawled out of the woodwork to have a renewed go at me — but that was to be expected.
I have to wonder why, though, so many people in the US get so excited over what I have to say.
One would think, judging by the breadth of the reaction, that my suggestion was somehow some type of martial law order. In fact it was just my musing on what should be done, and nothing else.
Ah well, just goes to show you never can tell.
I will deal with as much of the sensible reaction as I can in the near future, as I find the time. The sheer volume of it means that it will not be immediate.
However, in order to allow a sensible debate on this quite important topic, I will be opening this post for comments.
Anyone who has an opinion can post a comment here. You can criticize (or praise) me as much as you want (within reasonable limits of course).
Agent Chameleon says:
I am eagerly awaiting “Can America Be Saved”. While I slightly disagree with some of your proposed solutions, such as working within the GOP, which will never tolerate white nationalism, I think you have a lot of valuable insights to offer the American white nationalist community.
I’m a recent ethnonationalist, and my views became solidified when I watched your BNP speeches. But even before I knew of the BNP, whenever I grew angry over racial issues in America, I’d head over to places like Stormfront and be filled with nothing but loathing for all the bile on that website. No matter how much I wanted to stand up for white Americans, I would never, ever work with the likes of skinheads or Kluxers. After reading the BNP website, and getting to know many decent members of the BNP community, I came to realize that it is possible to be a part of a sane ethnonationalist movement that isn’t about hate or nostalgia for failed totalitarian regimes, but about love for one’s people and culture, and a desire to preserve it.
Mr. Kemp, you are my hero for writing this book, and I pray that will have an impact on my countrymen. You are right, the 1488 cult has got to go.
Anyway, you may like Lawrence Auster’s blog, View from the Right. He’s a American white nationalist who is opposed to the Stormfront crowd, and has written articles praising the BNP for shedding its neo-Nazi past. You may consider contacting him and see if he’ll promote your book. Or at least talk about it. He is pretty much on the same wave length as you, although I think he’s becoming more disillusioned with the two party system.
http://amnation.com/vfr/
Robert Campbell says:
Mr. Kemp,
I gave my frank opinion of your strategy when asked to do so in a recent appearance on the Jim Giles radio show. I don’t think you’ll find my remarks objectionable, even if you disagree with them.
I look forward to your book.
Best,
Robert
Thanks for your comment: My comments on your comments:
1. There is no proportional representation system of election in Britain, as you claim. There are PR elections in Europe, but not in Britain.
2. Once again, you have fallen into the “it’s hopeless, there is nothing that can be done, we must wait till it all collapses, and then we will emerge victorious”. You even said that when Jim Giles tried to press you on the issue of violence.
Let me tell you that you are dreaming fantasy island stuff if you think something will “emerge once America breaks up.” It is utter nonsense, and is just an excuse to do nothing now. Once America goes down, it is all kaput, finished and you are kidding yourself to think otherwise.
The Admiral says:
The reaction to your comments has been a joke. But that’s typical of what passes for the WN “movement” in the US today. It is a movement made up of scattered nazi fetishists and cyber-Führers whose main occupation seems to be to bitch and moan online. There are simply not enough intelligent, sophisticated WNs. There are exceptions, but they are few and far between.
You offer some sensible advice. And that’s what it is–advice, not a demand. Your critique of costume clowns and conspiracy nuts is spot on. American WNs have only ourselves to blame, to a large extent, for not forming a political party to advance our interests. But that opportunity is long gone, as you claimed in your interview on Radio Free Mississippi.
As you suggest, forming a lobbyist organization, a ‘EUPAC,’ might be our only hope. If not, then we prepare to submit to our fate–or we fight back and engage in a racial civil war. A war, I might add, that already has been unilaterally declared on whites, and yet most whites are too ______ to notice it. I think on some level many WNs already believe that we are heading for war, which might explain their apathy.
I would like to see a dual approach: a mainstream White political organization, such as ‘EUPAC,’ and a network of non-affiliated hardcore activist and paramilitary groups. When the other shoe drops, it might be useful for Whites to have some kind of structure in place.
admin says:
To the person who asked why I don’t open all posts to comments, the answer is simply that I do not have time to do comments. This web site is not my main focus, just a place to scribble odd thoughts. Hence also my surprise at the intensity of the reaction to my thoughts on America.
Agent Chameleon says:
Mr. Kemp, I’ve noticed that you seem critical of white Americans favoring the break up of the United States. I’m curious as to why. Do you think America can be kept as a whole? Do you think that the reconquistas fighting for Atzlan will be content with a predominant white America? Do you think the blacks will just accept white majority rule? Do you think the Native American tribes will forever be content with their reservation status?
I used to believe in keeping America united, but now I realize that saving the United States as it is, is next to impossible. America has become too diverse, and as you know, with diversity comes a lack of common identity, and therefore we are no longer a country. And if we are no longer a nation, why not split up into actual nations?
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Nowhere have I been critical of people favoring the breakup of the USA. I don’t know where you got that from.
All I have suggested is that normal people become involved in real politics instead of retreating into their tiny social clubs to endlessly tell each other how bad things are.
If it so happens that in the course of normal political participation that the structure of the US changes, then so be it. At least be a part of the political process so that you have some influence in it.
Remember the quote ascribed to Plato: “One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors.”
Clay says:
You are absolutely right about the KKK and Skinhead groups. They do nothing to help White Americans. I know they might care, but they are no good when trying to unite White Americans because of their thuggish use of racism. A big turnoff I must add.
As for representing a White America cause on Capitol Hill, it would now be considered a merecrime, and could possibly have you removed from your seat for “disorderly behavior” (in other words, disloyalty to the multicultural/racial state) by a 2/3 vote. Article I, Section 5, clause 2 states:
“Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behavior, and, with the Concurrence of two-thirds, expel a Member.”
Source: http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articlei.html
Next, the Republican Party has a lot of infighting within itself right now. You the corrupt war-mongering Neocons, the Ron Paulites, and the Paleoconservative types. The Neocons like Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh, and many other “conservative” figures are calling for a “purge” of “moderates” from within the Republican Party, in which the Neocons will infiltrate and dominate the party’s leadership. If this were so, this could be the beginning of a centralized and controlled party structure like what is prominent in Europe. Not to say that will happen, but it is a possibility and a third party may be necessary. In fact, it may actually have some opportunity to it considering that more and more people everyday are uncovering the common agenda of the “Republicrats” – the New World Order frauds as we know them.
As for the your bit about “British Israelism”: I do not think that is a problem at all. If I were to give you an estimate of how many people adhere to this belief, it would probably less than 10,000 people. Let them demonstrate their insanity, those cranks are not a threat to the right-wing.
Israel has a lobby, Arabs/Muslims have a lobby, African-Americans have a lobby, gays have a lobby, and La Raza probably has a lobby. The bottom line is that all of the “cultural-enrichers” have lobbies, and they have an influence on Capitol Hill as a result of this. So I like the idea of creating a “EUPAC” to represent the interests and take back White America. Personally, I do not believe in lobbying, as I am one that believes in what is morally representative of the people, but we should be use it to push the cause as long as lobbying is legal.
One quick question off topic. I was thinking about attending the Ninth American Renaissance Conference and Banquet because Mr. Nick Griffin is going to be a speaker at the event, and I thought it would be a treat to see him speak. Just as great, it says that you are going to be a speaker at the event as well on the “store” page, but does not show you as a speaker on the description page. So I was wondering if you could confirm whether or not you are going to be at the event on February 19-21, 2010. Here are the links:
http://www.amren.com/conference/2010/index.html
http://store.amren.com/cart.php?target=product&product_id=2079&category_id=97
I hope you can make it. Your speeches for the BNP are brilliant, and have actually brought the cause of saving the West closer to my heart. So continue the good work, and I look forward to reading the book when it is released.
-Clay
Thanks for the comment. There is one general point: the issue is not so much getting rid of the cranks, as it is getting normal people organized. Once normal people organize, the cranks run off screaming “Zog traitor” or some other mad nonsense anyway, and, as the hysterical reaction on some other forums shows, distance themselves from normal people all by themselves.
The point of me having a go at the cranks was to provoke the debate, I suppose, and make the normal people realize that there is no point to trying to accommodate them. Get rid of them, and concentrate on getting serious about political action. The main focus should be on the latter, not the former.
* I will not be at Amren in 2010. Jared Taylor did invite me, but things have come up which will prevent me from attending.
Agent Chameleon says:
My apologies Mr. Kemp. I read your response to Mr. Campbell and saw “Let me tell you that you are dreaming fantasy island stuff if you think something will “emerge once America breaks up.” and misinterpreted it. My mistake.
At any rate I do agree that political involvement is needed; I just don’t see much prospects of it from the GOP. The GOP has become increasingly anti-white under the leadership of Michael Steele. He even nodded in agreement when some black CNN host accused the GOP convention of looking like Nazi Germany because it was all white. And Ron Paul is not much better when it comes to race/immigration. He has backpedaled from any associations he had with the anti-immigration paleolibertarian movement, and fled from the statements in his infamous newsletter about the Rodney King riots, whereas he should have planted his feet and said the rioters did behave like animals. Instead he groveled and insisted that he was a life-long disciple of MLK and Rosa Parks; it was quite disgusting. I still admire his work in fighting the establishment, but white Americans will find no answer in Ron Paul’s movement. Sadly, we most look onward for greener pastures.
I also agree with you that when more normal people join an ethnonationalist movement, the cranks will go away on their own. The BNP is a perfect example of this. Already the National Front is calling for all Tyndall-lovers remaining in the BNP to break ranks from the modern BNP and join their street mob. Still, I’d like to see an American white nationalist to tell David Duke and Don Black to get lost.
The thing that is always “forgotten” when people talk about David Duke is that he won his electoral victories on a non-white supremacist platform, totally divorced from the KKK, and certainly nowhere near his political position adopted with “My Awakening.” I am pretty sure that Mr Duke would agree that his chances of being elected on a platform like that are pretty slim.
Don Black could however harness the subscriber base of Stormfront into a serious political force — if he chose to — but would first have to get rid of the disturbingly large numbers of madmen who inhabit that forum.
The UK NF’s call for street action is precisely the sort of thing which made the old NF unelectable. It allows the media to put up “exciting” footage of “communists, anti-fascists and fascists” all clubbing each other in the street, so that the average person at home can sit and watch it on TV and be horrified. The average person’s reaction to such a scene is that they will want nothing to do with either side. I suppose the NF people are too silly to see that.
Agent Chameleon says:
Interesting, I didn’t know about David Duke’s old platform. I shall have to look into that. The question is, was he faking it, or did he just genuinely snap after his decline? Considering how he was involved with the KKK prior to his electoral activity, I’d guess the former.
The one thing I find amusing about David Duke is his outrage at Nick Griffin for dissing him on Question Time. Duke expressed how he felt betrayed, as if Nick was one of his comrades. Then goes on about how Nick is nothing compared to him. That being an MEP in Europe is nothing compared to being some brief Lousiana politician…yeah… What a deluded individual.
I suspect that Mr Duke genuinely regretted his days in the KKK and other costumed outfits. I also think he knows he would have got a lot further had he not had that background.
I think however you are downplaying the achievement of becoming a state legislator. It is proof that it is possible to win in the democratic race, and the lesson should have been learned. But it was not, and therein lies the rub with the American “right wing.”
Robert Campbell says:
1. When speaking of proportional representation, I was speaking of the European situation in general (I touched on the NPD, for example), and I did not mean to imply that Britain has PR. If I did so, it was a slip of the tongue. What I did say, and still maintain, is that the political system in the UK is entirely different from the one in the United States, and does not consist of the two-party locked box. The UK has 18 parties (I believe, including BNP) who have been elected to national or supra-national office. In the United States, we have two parties that meet that criteria. I said that Griffin won his seat with 9% of the vote, and it was actually slightly lower than that at 8%, which is something impossible for a third party political entity in America to achieve. This is obviously something you grasp, as you have stated that its too late for a political party in America; we have 20 years left, you estimate, and that just doesn’t cut it.
2. That’s incorrect, sir. If you listened to the interview (and you seem to have done so), I expressly warn against taking an apathetic position toward the current political process and I urge people to get involved on the local level, giving examples from my grandfather’s political career. I think your idea of a Euro-American PAC to augment local elections would be a very solid enterprise and I’d support it whole-heartedly.
In conclusion, you recognise that unless something is done to reverse demographic trends, both of our nations are doomed within 20 years. Thus, it is not “fantasy island” of me to imply that the dissolution of America may not be far behind. I am not saying that we should usher in the current collapse with a sociopathic, Nietzschean “push that which is falling” mentality; I am saying that we should get politically active and work to advance our interests, but that speaking honestly (I’m not a politician), I think the picture is pretty grim. This doesn’t mean I’ll stop working on behalf of what is right, as that is my duty. For a dose of some real pessimism, I’ll leave you with a quote from Spengler:
“Already the danger is so great, for every individual, every class, every people, that to cherish any illusion whatever is deplorable. Time does not suffer itself to be halted; there is no question of prudent retreat or wise renunciation. Only dreamers believe that there is a way out. Optimism is cowardice.
We are born into this time and must bravely follow the path to the destined end. There is no other way. Our duty is to hold on to the lost position, without hope, without rescue, like that Roman soldier whose bones were found in front of a door in Pompeii, who, during the eruption of Vesuvius, died at his post because they forgot to relieve him. That is greatness. That is what it means to be a thoroughbred. The honorable end is the one thing that can not be taken from a man.”
Patrick R says:
Arthur,
I hope you’ve read my post where I’ve defended you in considerable detail. Your detractors are nutcases who post nearly a thousands times in less than half a year…how on earth do they have so much time? It is tedious mentioning every little detail they’ve said about you, but the gist of their argument is that “you’re dividing the movement, so therefore you’re a neoconseravtive”. Anyone who actually confuses your writings with neoconseravtive literature is obviously not in touch with reality. The neocons are focused on Jewish nationalism and Israel, whereas you’re concerned with the demographic onslaught against Europe and our transplanted nations in North America, Australia, New Zealand, etc. The themes are in complete contrast with one another, but what do you expect to observe from a crowd of racialist/creationist?
Whatever the case, your disgust for the wannabe Nazis matches the thoughts of Kevin MacDonald, David Duke, Tom Sunic, and Dr. William Pierce. I’ve provided the links to the creationist nutcases – who don’t understand our struggle in terms of our evolutionary psychology – but they completely ignore it. I don’t blame them, trying to say that “Arthur Kemp, Kevin MacDonald, David Duke, Tom Sunic, and Dr. William Pierce are dead wrong, whereas the handful of skinheads are correct” is silly. In short, the wannabe Nazis will not brighten our nationalist prospects one bit. Write the book Arthur, American can still be saved, but it will not be done by hating other races, European-Americans must simply speak out for our interest.
Jeremy Clarke says:
Mr. Kemp, I am a fan of your work with the BNP, having watched the YouTube speeches, as well as your books such as March of the Titans. It is interesting that you note that, at the end of the book, that Western civilisation is in ‘peril’ due to the inevitable decline of the white race in every country in the world that has a white population due to the following factors:
1. Mass immigration, and a higher birth rates amongst immigrants/non-whites.
2. Lower white birth rates, sub-replacement fertility.
3. Miscegenation.
What makes you think that you could possibly get the masses of America as a whole to start having more white children and to enforce anti-miscegenation laws as happened prior to Loving vs. Virginia in 1967? The present government and corporations profit from the methods used to achieve items #2 and to a lesser extent #3 on that list. They have been so hard-wired into the brains of youth that traditional values in America (as well as every other western nation) have shifted irreversably to the left. A corruption of family values has greated a stagnant, dysgenic nation.
People, on the whole, care more about the economy and whether they’re going to be secure in their job, their home, and everything else. You will certainly not find a majority that is interested through mainstream politics. It seems that the only people who are ‘functionally white’ (as in, interested in securing the status of whites in the long term) are those who are white nationalists raising children with that particular ideology. There are plenty of white people raising children that are not leftists and this ethnopolitics could appeal to some of them but would it be enough?
It may be the case that whites have to live in reservations like the American Indians…
Karl Ketzer says:
Can America be saved? One thing is certain: the America we grew up with is over. and question is “what shall replace it?” It appears to me that we are headed either in the direction of Brazil (the rich will live in gated communities surrounded by armed guards while the rest of us – even those in small towns in Idaho – will get to savor the “joys of diversity”) or Yugoslavia (violent break-up along ethnic lines).
Is the fight really over? Not we truly give up.
So what is to be done to prevent the full emergence of an authoritarian, multicultural empire on these shores? I wish I had a pat answer.
Of course Mr. Kemp is right in that the costumed freaks and the history-deniers must be shunned. (Stormfront recently had a thread about whether man really walked on the moon. Why does Don Black even put up with such nonsense on his board?)
1. Educate yourself and speak the truth about race with your family and friends. Don’t use racial epithets, of course, but just speak honestly. Do not be cowed by the various “shut up” words that may be thrown at you.
2. Marry and reproduce. Demography is destiny.
3. Get involved in whichever political organization or party you are most comfortable in. Make allies and sound out potential friends.
4. We have a “EUPAC.” It’s called European Americans United. Google it.
5. Prepare for the worst. This means learning how to survive and protect your loved ones when the police aren’t around, the power isn’t on, the ATMs don’t function, and all the phone lines are dead. This means familiarizing oneself with weapons for the day that TSHTF.
The Admiral says he wants to see “a network of non-affiliated hardcore activist and paramilitary groups.” I know for a fact that this is being done.
Vercingetorix says:
I thoroughly enjoyed your interview with Jim Giles and eagerly await your book “Can America be Saved.”
I hope your message catches on in America. At some point, we must move beyond finger pointing and act constructively.
Take care.
ExordSmooro says:
You know, I didn’t even see Casper’s comment when I made mine (how could I miss that?). Sorry Casper, you had it first!
http://www.arthurkemp.com – go to my favorites!!!
V says:
Being a skinhead Christian I should be offended by your new book but I cant wait to read it MR Kemp .
America needs a wake up call there are some sane nationalists but not enough .
fred says:
I agree with your points. I particularly like the part about distancing ourselves from weirdos in halloween costumes such as the KKK. And the Confederacy is certainly nothing on which to base a modern political strategy. But when you write your book I would appreciate it if you could find a way to make these points without insulting southerners. Because there are a lot of decent southerners who care deeply about their heritage and don’t want it associated with extremists.
ExordSmooro says:
Good work! Thank you very much! I always wanted to write in my blog something like that. Can I take part of your post to my blog? Of course, I will add backlink?
Rob Cloak says:
Some time ago I emailed the address given on the White-history.com website about the Whiteness of the Thai people and the fact that Tocharians had been discovered before 1974. Did you receive this? If not I can post it here.
How exactly would a EUPAC deal with creationism, which from my understanding garners support in the Bible belt. Perhaps there should be two EUPACs, one for the Democrats and another for the Republicans, or certain policy should be directed at state level, as certain ideological problems may come up in one committee.
Roman_SPQR says:
“In order to change the system you have to engage the system.” — European Americans United
http://www.wvwnews.net/story.php?id=8215
To this end earlier this year while tossing around a few ideas with my fellow board members we discussed the possibility of creating a PAC or lobbying group — independent of government and corporate largess — in order to fight on behalf of European Americans and the rightful destiny of our due nation. A lobby or PAC operates by influencing decisions made by the government (in groups or individually). It includes all attempts to persuade legislators and officials, whether by other legislators, constituents, or organized groups.
In my opinion this is the only sensible way of accomplishing such a vital task. While we can look to the dogged determination and eventual success of the British National Party it is far too late here to form a third party, such as the woefully ineffective Libertarian Party. While a new third party would have to operate within the confines of bureaucratic top heavy regulations, a PAC would have much more operational leeway, as I generally understand it.
Overcome
For example, by proposing to outlaw affirmative action, by recommending genuine welfare reform, by detailing the reformation of legal immigration on behalf of Europeans, by explaining why we need to stay out of other country’s affairs except for peaceful trading, etc, we will encourage widespread cooperation by contrasting what we do as opposed to what the Republicrats have been doing. Moreover, we should not be afraid of being called bigots and racists when it comes to defending our own ethnicity and national autonomy.
In the meantime, our children need to be home schooled with an eye toward ethnic identity, more white babies must be brought into the world, households should become wealth generators, extended families ought to become close again, and preparations for worst case scenarios is mandatory. Indeed, these small steps and the ideas outlined above will go a long way in keeping the globalists and the Frankfurt School Marxists up at night.
Adjust, adapt, and overcome. THAT is what needs to happen.
…And remember always, bravery is infectious.
http://www.wvwnews.net/story.php?id=8215
Tony Ward says:
Comment2 Robert Cambell
“1. There is no proportional representation system of election in Britain, as you claim. There are PR elections in Europe, but not in Britain”
British Politics has used forms of proportional representation in elections for devolution in Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. A form of proportional representation was used in the London mayoral election as well.
- True, but not in the sense that it was meant in that original comment. Westminster is not elected by PR.- Ed
Gaurav Ahuja says:
Hello, Mr. Kemp and to the other people that read this blog. I hope you find this interesting http://murrayrothbard.com/a-strategy-for-the-right/
Eman says:
The PAC ‘European Americans United’ is a Jewish/neoconservative controlled false front organization.
As such, it cannot be trusted – we have to start another one.
- Fairly typical attitude which sums up why the so-called “movement” is a dead duck.
Luis Magno says:
This discussion is reminiscent of the chatter in an insane asylum. The Orwellian character of the White mentality is never more obvious than here – personal opinion mixed with resentment, anger, frustration, hope, half-truths, fairy tales and an occasional relevant fact or comment. Effective political action by a gaggle of madmen typified by the denizens that infect this blogspace is inconceivable.
European Americans are in desperate need of a psycho-social organizing principle. The historical legacy of the Genoese-born Spanish Admiral Christopher Columbus is there for the taking and is the only principled way to go.
We need to set aside all the half-baked nonsense. We need to first organize psycho-socially and then politically. I am sorry to have to put it so bluntly but there is no time left for concern about bruised egos. If the shoe fits wear it and then do yourselves the favor of checking out my website. There I am the only one allowed to have an ego.
Chris James says:
Although I agree with the demographic analysis. I disagree with all of Kemps other points. In all reality, I want to see action. Not some guy crying about how everyone else in the movement is not doing anything.
I think building land and gaining skills are a reasonable response to our problems in America. Like much of Africa, America will need “skilled white labor” and it will be sold at cost.
This Right wing suit idea, that “they are making us look bad” is an excuse not to organize and train our people. Blaming skinheads and others for the “suits” failure to organize and train our people is pretty lame.
kphd says:
I am not a member of Stormfront or any White organization, but I am White and, please, let me speak to the White people of the USA — don’t listen to this anti-American Brit. I lived with the British. They’re not interested in helping you out. Nick Griffin does not love you. The British are some of the most tribal hatemongering bigots towards Americans. If you think trashing Southern Americans is going to help your cause in the USA, you’re morons.
This guy needs to take care of his Allah Akbar and stay out of our business.
-Hilarious.
John Weston says:
http://www.white-history.com/UScities.htm
You say that the decline of cities is due to racial change, racial mixing, racial replacement, whatever.
How do you account for the settlement at Skara Brae in Orkney in Scotland?
- The “decline of cities” as you call it, occurs whenever a population who created a particular culture or settlement, vanish. They are either replaced, killed, or otherwise vanish (most often by being integrated into newcomers). The Skara Brae neolithic settlement is a fine example of this process: the people who built those structures are no longer in existence, they were absorbed into newcomers and ceased to be a functioning cultural unit. Hence their buildings are now abandoned ruins.
This is the reason why you get ruins: when the founding population no longer exists, or forms the majority population in that region.
Take Egypt: today one can see a people living amongst the ruins of a previous civilisation, built by other people.
* This is off-topic, so please keep future topics to the “Can America be Saved” issue, thanks.
Chris James says:
(since that was I posted. I shall add to my post.)
Further, I noticed Arthur Kemp criticized the southern antebellum practice of bringing in large numbers of Aficans for slave labor. However, he did not criticize Ron Paul’s position of letting black drug dealers out of prision. This position would be a demographic disaster. No matter how many small freedoms Ron Paul could give us for a couple extra years before the government cracks down on all of us.
Also, The Reason a politician like Ron Paul has not arrived ten years ago can be directly related to the internet. Just as the rise of the Protestant revolution can be attributed to the mass use of the printing press.
- I used the Ron Paul phenomena as an example, I didn’t say that I agreed with all his positions. You are deliberately twisting my post.
Also, no, the reason why a Ron Paul type movement had not yet emerged because white Americans have for decades been following the “all is lost, elections are waste etc.” nonsense spouted by their so-called leaders.
That is the truth, and I don’t care how many of you are offended by it. Truth hurts, that’s why.
Chris James says:
I agree, Ron Paul is a good “Political example”. And “no” you did not say you agreed with all his positions. I am not insulted at all. I simply like a lively debate, with an educated individual on the subject. Also “Truth Hurts, Thats why” is a losey debate argument…
Do we have any research done on David Duke’s “Presidential run”? I feel the two party system is “highly restrictive” in America. They use the Internal Revenue Service to stomp out any opposition. The Parlamentary system is superior. It allows easy entrance of smaller parties.
MrG says:
A substantial part of the cancers are actually on the payroll of various government agencies.
What makes you think white people in the US are not happy with the way things are going? Until the financial collapse everything was just dandy for them.
Unlike the UK whites and blacks founded the US together, like it or not. I do not see much hope in a whites only movement that is directed against blacks. It has not worked out in the past.
Agent Chameleon says:
MrG,
While I agree with you that animosity directed towards black people is wrong and counter-productive (for one thing, I don’t see the point in discussing IQ differences), you must remember that even though blacks were in America during its early days, they were never viewed as American. And they never identified as American. They were foreigners stuck on another continent against their will for many centuries. They adhered to many African customs that don’t mesh with Anglo-Saxon American culture.
There were two attempts major attempts at incorporating blacks into the American identity. The first was in the Reconstruction era, where blacks secured citizenship (which was fair) but Reconstruction failed at Americanizing blacks. The second attempt was the civil rights movement, which succeeded in getting whites to view blacks as “fellow Americans” but it seems that blacks don’t see things the same way. Like it or not, blacks are very proud of their own identity and I don’t think they will ever give it up.
And why should they? If civic nationalism is taken to its logical conclusion prior to the 1965 immigration act, back when America was roughly 90% white and 10% black, whites would have inevitably absorbed blacks into the white American identity, and black Americans would cease to exist, due to higher numbers of whites and miscegenation. I don’t think blacks would want that, and I can understand why many seek to preserve their own ethnic distinction. It’s no surprise that black females are vehemently opposed to racial mixing.
That’s why a future sane American white nationalist movement will need to acknowledge the legitimacy of other nationalist causes, such as black nationalism, and support the existence of a black American nation, located somewhere in the “Black Belt” or other such places.
Luis Magno says:
Any group movement founded in opposition to another group is lame to begin with. A group movement must be founded on positive ideals and ideas however much those ideals and ideas may be subsequently compromised for “practical reasons”.
Take Manifest Destiny, for example. It degenerated into an ethnicidal force against the Spanish Americans even as the genocide of the Amerindians and the slavery of the Africans were being phased out. This ethnicidal dynamic is now directed against its Anglo-Saxon originators by a deceptive group of alien infiltrating usurpers.
MrG says:
Here is an American take similar in spirit to Kemp’s analysis of SA. I would add a comparison of the Iraqistan war with the South African experience in Angola.
California: South Africa Revisited?
http://www.vdare.com/boethius/100113_california.htm
Agent Chameleon says: “And they[Blacks] never identified as American.”
I could say Americans never identified as British, except until I would say the 1760s or maybe a bit later Americans did identify as British.
During the civil war blacks never challenged the Confederate government, and while that is interpreted as passivity, it could also be interpreted as nationalism or patriotism. I would argue that blowing up the old south was not in the best interest of blacks just like blowing up Iraq was not in the best interest of Iraqi’s, and the blacks knew it just like the Iraqi’s did. Also worth noting is that after the civil war blacks mostly chose Anglo Saxon type names, often with a preference for notable American historic figures.
Without claiming to be an expert in self identification by blacks with America, it seems to start declining during the very racist Wilson administration and progressively gets worse. You might find the history of Sen. LeRoy Percy interesting on this point.
I short I would not compare race relations today with those of previous periods.
Luis Magno says: “Take Manifest Destiny, for example. It degenerated into an ethnicidal force against the Spanish Americans even as the genocide of the Amerindians and the slavery of the Africans were being phased out.”
I think this is a bit backwards. The Mexican war was in the 1850s and pushed the US to the pacific. Wiser men prevailed, unlike today, and the US withdrew rather quickly from Mexico proper. I personally am amazed at fast people got stuff done in those times given the communications systems. Slavery ends 1865. The Indian wars are mostly over by 1880s.
Erich Gliebe says:
Response to Arthur Kemp from Erich Gliebe, Chairman of the National Alliance
While it is true that the National Alliance doesn’t emphasize participation in the mass democratic political process, Mr. Kemp’s claim that the Alliance is committed to a “do-nothing” mentality is incorrect.
The worldview of the National Alliance – which, as Mr. Kemp implies, is largely the thought and work of William Pierce – looks askance on mass democracy because the Alliance’s worldview is based on the leadership principle, not on what we might call the “popularity principle.” The main reason for this is that, historically, progress and innovation have been brought into the world by individuals or minorities; by leaders. In other words, there have been only a comparatively few number of movers and shakers throughout history, and the masses have usually been dragged along with the flow of change by the scruffs of their necks.
In contrast to the leaders, the masses are largely incapable of deciding what is good or bad for them, especially in the long run. Their primary method of deciding what should be done in their own lives is to answer the question: “What will be most pleasurable – or least painful – for me right now?” That is, the masses seldom look beyond the present.
The main problems with mass democracy are threefold. For one, it asks the masses to understand complex problems involving nations, business and trade, healthcare, education, and so on. This, they are largely incapable of doing, and most ordinary people would candidly admit this fact, if queried.
Secondly, in mass democracy there is minimal accountability. With democracy and parliamentary government going hand in hand, democracy always has plenty of culprits at whom to point when a legislative decision goes awry. On the other hand, there are also lots of legislators willing to take credit when something turns out well. With the leadership principle, all praise and all blame rest with the leader; that is, there is accountability.
Thirdly, mass democracy gives the masses the illusion that, by voting, they are in control of their own government. This is a lie, in that no one who is merely fed all of the information he possesses is really in control. It is, instead, the feeders of the information who are really in control.
And this brings us to those who are the feeders of information in the United States. It has been pointed out by many patriots over many decades that Jews are the principle power brokers in the American media world. Because of this media power, this minority of Jews is largely able to manipulate the mass democratic process. True patriots who have run for political office have been so swamped with negative publicity that they haven’t stood a chance. Over the years, White patriots trying to run for political office have been let down time and again. George Lincoln Rockwell ran for governor of Virginia in the 1960s, to no avail. David Duke ran for Congress from the state of Louisiana in the 1990s, to no avail. Many other not-so-well-known White patriots have run and failed in both local and regional elections. The only thing these patriots gained were threats of violence, loss of a job, and an empty bank account. The Jewish media wouldn’t let White patriots get even a foot in the door of the accepted democratic process.
Even legislators who were simply too pro-American have been run out of politics. These are men who weren’t pro-White; they were pro-American, which is to say: anti-Israel. They didn’t mention much about non-White immigration and non-White welfare queens with their swarming broods. They just didn’t take kindly to Israel being a thankless ingrate to American generosity and being a bully to everyone else in the Middle East. Names like former Illinois Congressman Paul Findley and former Ohio Congressman James Traficant – men who spoke out against the power wielded by the Israeli lobby and its detrimental effect on American interests – come to mind. With the Jews controlling the media, mass democracy in the United States is an avenue that, until now, has been closed to White patriots.
Perhaps those times are changing. Perhaps, as Mr. Kemp suggests, it is time for what he calls a European-American Political Action Committee (EAPAC). We in the National Alliance are all for such a development, because it can only raise awareness of the worldwide plight of the White race. The National Alliance would give such an organization its full support while, at the same time, proceeding with our own outreach and organizational efforts.
But we are skeptical of its formation and its success. Who will fund it? Who will get it started? Unlike in smaller White countries – Britain, for example – the Jews cannot afford to let America walk away from Israel. And the Jews have too much power in the United States – media, political, economic – that they stand to lose a great deal if American mass democracy starts opening its doors to White patriots. The EAPAC is a fine idea, but its prospects don’t look bright.
Even if an EAPAC does form – and honestly, I hope it does – this doesn’t address our fundamental concerns about democracy itself. History has shown that large numbers of people have difficulty making informed decisions and/or having the will to implement them. What the White masses need is a leader, an organization, to point the way. That’s what we in the National Alliance – far from being “do-nothings” – are actively trying to be.